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Calling out the fakes.

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Not sure if any of you notice this, but there are literally hundreds of messages in chat everyday of someone saying "busted 0.02 btc" or whatever high amount. Now I totally agree when it's either someone on flame or a regular gambler on chat. But when it's a name I've literally seen less than 5 times in chat and their entire chat history comprises of "grats rain catchers" I'm 99.9999% inclined to believe they are blatantly lying. What's more is they tend to have incredibly new join date, all wagered/profit/loss on hidden, constantly passive towards everyone, or all of the above.

I'm kind of fed up with these pathetic people, would love to know what you guys think in this situation, and if it's possible to have these behaviors become muteable offenses unless there's screenie proof?

I included an example below, as you can see in the chat, he busted 500k sat. However his ENTIRE wagered amount is 1.9m sat over 39 thousand bets. That means on average he was wagering 50 satoshi each time, meaning assuming he played the exact same game everytime he would've lost roughly 500k sat taking into account the extra losses. He claims to have "just lost" that much when I think we all know 39k bets would take much longer than that, not to mention anyone would've logically stopped the suicidal play well before busting. From his chat behavior I feel like he's going to try to say the exact same thing even in 2020, in an attempt to catch rain (see second pic).

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Rain catchers are a problem but sadly, they are not a mutable offence. Mutable for not making bets? You see where I'm coming from. There is no way sadly to mute a player unless they are always grats people on rains or wishing good luck or begging/passive in the chat room. Sadly, nothing can be done but a lot of people do this as a way to recover big losses over the days.

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yeah a lot of scammers out there...
                                                                                                                                        
but you also need to know the details before officially calling the outing imo...
as ive for example busted a lot on alts but mentioned it in main what happened, in my case my wager amount and loss amount is too large not to believe lol 
but if i were to say the same on a alt while wagering on main or whatnot.. .. which i don't usually  do (but for a example..), it would still be true the statement, but appear false to viewer..
                                                                                                                                        
but i dont hink thats is the case for most, and probably just weirdos chat speming for tips i guess.. but u dont know until u ask i guess

and i hate rain comments too..... 

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Darkblood, I'm not asking for people passive for rain to be muted, even though they should. I'm asking for people constantly saying in chat "busted a certain amount" every hour to be muted. Do you want to see me saying my losses from 2 months ago in chat? No one wants to see that yet it's being done by others as I type this.

Shaniqua, I totally understand that, especially when we aren't allowed to chat on alts anyways. But when someone's other chat messages are full of useless nonsense I absolute cannot believe they busted anything more than $1, much less on an alt. Yea you got it right where it's people trying to passive beg for tips since that's a mute, and I'd like to find a solution to combat them.

I think the only way to compare them is to a virus. We make medicine (mutecoins) to combat viruses (beggars), they evolve(find new ways to beg without being obvious) and we have to find the next step to punish them.

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There are alot of people who are doing that.. and the thing is they're doing it for basically nothing. They need to wager to get rain and even if they have small amount of luck and they do get the rain it's just a few cents, and they are just wasting their time typing 'busted ___ sats' to just get a few cents. You can just report them to mods and they will get muted I think 

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2 hours ago, irawk0 said:

I think the only way to compare them is to a virus. We make medicine (mutecoins) to combat viruses (beggars), they evolve(find new ways to beg without being obvious) and we have to find the next step to punish them.

That is a great way of explaining just what beggars do, it is in a way evolving over time to avoid breaking the rules from being muted. I believe having an updated list of rules to fight back against those that passive beg in the chat. Including those that say "gl for rains" etc.

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The most common issue at Stake right now, many people ranting at the chat. I don't know if they really lose it or fake it. They still in a same label called Beggar.

Hey! It's about gambling, if you don't want to take risk, just withdraw and never play it again. That is the first when we need when we login, giving warning before gamble, and more to discipline many people that always ranting, or else. The rules should be explained first before we implement those mutes. 

That is the only way to stop those people, we must bring the chat into a positivity. If you found people were faking and doing begging for many times, you can report them and they will get the mute based on his log chat. 

Anyway, about people that chat like :'gl rain catchers' must be muted. It was clearly doing some passive beg. After that, about showing low-quality bet (many people was doing share ids in chat that he doesn't understand the language) in order to claim rains should be muted as well.

There was my opinion and suggestion for Stake at this moment, because many people right now breaking the rules.

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Yes, of course we could make a rule about saying "busted" but then it would just be something else, e.g. sad day, dag nab it, etc.  Sadly, rules based systems have their limits when confronted with human greed.  Besides even if they were muted they would just make an alternate account and chat on that.

Now maybe if there was a more holoistic system with levels and such (that way the spammers would have something to lose if their account got banned), but even then, it remains highly problematic.  I've yet to see a chat completely free from this behavior, the goal is to keep from getting totally over run with it, e.g. luckygames while not having chat become virtually dead, e.g. just-dice.

Don't get me wrong their behavior is deplorable but free money often brings out the worst in people and there is no magic bullet to stop them.

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8 hours ago, DarkBlood069 said:

Rain catchers are a problem but sadly, they are not a mutable offence. Mutable for not making bets? You see where I'm coming from. There is no way sadly to mute a player unless they are always grats people on rains or wishing good luck or begging/passive in the chat room. Sadly, nothing can be done but a lot of people do this as a way to recover big losses over the days.

We have had a similiar issue with people on Portuguese chat before we could get @luizoruivo as Moderator to keep people in line.. sadly we still have some of those when he is not around lol but to avoid such people from getting the rains the rainbot should have a rule not to include them on the list of possible winners.. it could be something simple as "people needs at least 1k satoshis (or the corresponding with altcoins) wagered", "have at least 5 messages sent in the chat with a minimum of 20 characters" or even better, both of them because most all the bots should not be wagering in these accounts and also it would be hard for them to spam at least 20 characters so many times without getting caught.. and thats for each "x" minutes, otherwise that person would not be included in the rainbot list of possible winners.. it would avoid a lot of these annoying spam from rain-beggars

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There are several people, and of course I won't say names (but you all know who they are), who for the past 6 months, have commented nothing other than "buuuuust" or "sad day" or "no luck". These users are toxic in my opinion and should be muted from the chat. This is a casino. People must grow up and accept losses.

PS I'm not saying these comments should be banned, I'm saying that people who ONLY comment those types of things, on a very regular basis should be muted.

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3 minutes ago, williamshennie9 said:

There are several people, and of course I won't say names (but you all know who they are), who for the past 6 months, have commented nothing other than "buuuuust" or "sad day" or "no luck". These users are toxic in my opinion and should be muted from the chat. This is a casino. People must grow up and accept losses.

PS I'm not saying these comments should be banned, I'm saying that people who ONLY comment those types of things, on a very regular basis should be muted.

Damn!! no luck, sad month! lol

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9 hours ago, blurrijs said:

There are alot of people who are doing that.. and the thing is they're doing it for basically nothing. They need to wager to get rain and even if they have small amount of luck and they do get the rain it's just a few cents, and they are just wasting their time typing 'busted ___ sats' to just get a few cents. You can just report them to mods and they will get muted I think 

like?

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You'll find people like him all day. The people that dont play much, nor deposit and they only claim the free coins they can get by begging rains etc. 

Nothing to do against that except make them deposit once before they can chat.

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2 hours ago, williamshennie9 said:

There are several people, and of course I won't say names (but you all know who they are), who for the past 6 months, have commented nothing other than "buuuuust" or "sad day" or "no luck". These users are toxic in my opinion and should be muted from the chat. This is a casino. People must grow up and accept losses.

PS I'm not saying these comments should be banned, I'm saying that people who ONLY comment those types of things, on a very regular basis should be muted.

lol i hope one of those peopelarent me =P  
                                                                                                                                                                                      
Cause ive said my share of "sad day" "fml" "grrr" and just signed off many times over lol 
but then again i talk other things a lot tooo... i am a complainer for sure =P

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don't believe to that people don't know, every day decens of new theoric players appears,...., i said to support more than one time rains must be only for people who is properly registered on forums, that could be the filter, 

Rains must be for regular players, with a decent movement on their balances, or must be separated by levels of wagering, that's my opinion

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7 hours ago, Shaniqua said:

lol i hope one of those peopelarent me =P  
                                                                                                                                                                                      
Cause ive said my share of "sad day" "fml" "grrr" and just signed off many times over lol 
but then again i talk other things a lot tooo... i am a complainer for sure =P

Nah, you're not one of them :D I'm talking about people who constantly complain, and don't talk about anything else. We all have our bad days when gambling, but some people take it to a whole new level.

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I think these people are not chatting for rain. I think they say they lost or busted to get the sympathy of the other active chatter and expects tips in return.  I'm not sure whether they get the tips or not, but thats what I think. 

The people who chats for rain more likely say one word every couple of minutes to catch rain. Nothing constructive or relates to any ongoing chat.

Eg: lol, busted, kk, and constantly reporting 1 sathosi lost bets in chat :)

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lol,. yep.. there are lots of these everyday in chat.. just yesterday there was someone claiming he lost $23 when i checked his stats, stupidly enough he never hid it, his wager of all couns combined did not even come close to cover $23 ... how can you lose more than what youve wagered... let alone wagered of all coins combined now even worth that much.. lol... it does not make sense, but some will still try to bullshit for pity and someone nice enough to feel sorry for them to get tip.. its hillarious when you call em out about the facts and they suddenly just go quiet or avoid you questioning their statement... xD

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16 hours ago, Flansca said:

 

Anyway, about people that chat like :'gl rain catchers' must be muted. It was clearly doing some passive beg. After that, about showing low-quality bet (many people was doing share ids in chat that he doesn't understand the language) in order to claim rains should be muted as well.

 

I have seen alot of users recently doing this and mods are online, and they aren't doing anything about this and not muting them for trying to get the rain for posting random messages. I don't have a screenshot of this though

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