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Deleting PMs is a really bad move imho

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Hi all,

 

Just noticed today pm where disabled. And I really feel bad about it.

I had some friends here I don't even know how to reach elsewhere.

And the argument of preventing scam.. I don't buy bc at least when someone tried to Phish on stake pm , stake support could handle it , perm mute him or banning. Now scammer will still try to scam naive stakers but they will do it outside of stake on other social media so stake support won't be able to do anything ...

And for me it's a very bad move also concerning other casinos  that are kinda Stake copies. I won't name them everyone know them. But well they offer chat With pm support so now stake left behind one of his identy components and he left others keeping it.

To me all this is part of the larger move begun 1 year ago with sport betting support, trying to make stake looks like mainstream casino. But you know what most of old members were here because like me they liked being part of something different of main stream casino that just try  to make you gamble more and more and more. And that's all

From this day I will sadly starting to consider moving myself on other place. Knowing most of my old time buddies already have account on the others places that keep on the way stake left....

And yeah last point... Instead of disabling for all regular player the pm... Why not making KYC stronger ? kYC is the best way to prevent scammers ...

Edited by nikowin88

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Just now, StoneDragon said:

KYC maybe bad but if we make selfie bye holding papber and stake username on it, that maaybe better for kyc, people dont like to share id, but i think self is fine most of us

True said I don't like kyc that much but the main idea is how stake can get rid of scammer ? And the possibility to create multiple account is helping scammers. I. Bet365 or Betfair it's very hard to have more than 1 account per person. So when you have a working one you won't do anything that could make you lose it. While on stkae just a new mailbox is required...  Its not enough. And before anyone say it : I already been scammed here giving my trust to bad people. Yet I won't ask for pm deleting bc of that. Bc any scam need a part from the victim being ok to take the risk to trust someone you can't know. So the main blame for me is on the scammer and secondly on the victim.  Because if youre in a state of mind where you don't trust anyone and don't take any risk then you will never be scammed... And stake did his job to prevent this telling everyone toa ctivzte 2fa many times

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I agree with you Niko. I have definitely noticed that Stake has moved from a casino which valued player's input/feedback, to simply ignoring the community and its wants. It has been coming for a few months now, and I don't think they will care about what the majority of the community wants. 

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Personally, I'm cool w/ no PM. It's annoying getting pm'd everytime you win. It's almost as annoying as the indian dudes pretending to be girls and the people who feel the need to cry in chat whenever they bust.

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2 hours ago, mordhau said:

Personally, I'm cool w/ no PM. It's annoying getting pm'd everytime you win. It's almost as annoying as the indian dudes pretending to be girls and the people who feel the need to cry in chat whenever they bust.

Well I'm ok with that but thank God (😂) anyone had the ability to hide his bets so he could avoid being annoyed by beggars

( actually how things were lately was allowing us to block many things so that when you blocked everything : pm notif, Friend request, hidden bet ) it was almost impossible to get annoyed by anyone... That why I really don't understand the last move and ask myself if the scam preventing isn't more than an excuse to just block pm. 

But as William said I don't think they give a fuck about what we could think of feel about it finally

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16 minutes ago, nikowin88 said:

Well I'm ok with that but thank God (😂) anyone had the ability to hide his bets so he could avoid being annoyed by beggars

( actually how things were lately was allowing us to block many things so that when you blocked everything : pm notif, Friend request, hidden bet ) it was almost impossible to get annoyed by anyone... That why I really don't understand the last move and ask myself if the scam preventing isn't more than an excuse to just block pm. 

But as William said I don't think they give a fuck about what we could think of feel about it finally

There are lot of factors that influenced the decision. 

The amount of resources it takes to solve disputes and issues that arise on our platform that occur due to our decision to provide an anonymous gambling experience has really started to take its toll on the staff that have to try and manage the community and its wellbeing as a whole.

Private messaging was riddled with loaning, scamming, hacking, phishing and poaching. All of which had a significantly negative affect on all players involved and despite all our best efforts, these pesky people would still find ways to circumvent measures put in place to discourage it. We have countless reports of players being lured to fraudulent sites where they were phished or funds stolen form them, we had loans not being honoured, we had an ecosystem of men pretending to be women deceive a lot of our loyal player base. All of this was conducted behind the scenes and as a responsible service operator we were being held liable for not facilitating a higher duty of care.

When managing a large group of people, we have a due diligence to provide the best possible protection to our community, and we often had to go above and beyond our means to try and solve issues that really shouldn't have ever existed.

My understanding as being the real tipping point was when there was a huge blitz/rise in players messaging others to get them onto 3rd party messaging platforms (telegram, vk, etc.) so they could conduct their mischief off site. We did our best efforts to discourage such behaviour, but people kept trying to evade the systems in place. Our biggest regret is that we let this go one for far too long, and that so many players fell victim to such issues.

We want to be able to provide a gambling experience that resonates with the positive aspects of crypto and its benefits to the world, and to do so, we felt it was time to discourage negative behaviours that give the crypto community a bad wrap.

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3 hours ago, Dan said:

There are lot of factors that influenced the decision. 

The amount of resources it takes to solve disputes and issues that arise on our platform that occur due to our decision to provide an anonymous gambling experience has really started to take its toll on the staff that have to try and manage the community and its wellbeing as a whole.

Private messaging was riddled with loaning, scamming, hacking, phishing and poaching. All of which had a significantly negative affect on all players involved and despite all our best efforts, these pesky people would still find ways to circumvent measures put in place to discourage it. We have countless reports of players being lured to fraudulent sites where they were phished or funds stolen form them, we had loans not being honoured, we had an ecosystem of men pretending to be women deceive a lot of our loyal player base. All of this was conducted behind the scenes and as a responsible service operator we were being held liable for not facilitating a higher duty of care.

When managing a large group of people, we have a due diligence to provide the best possible protection to our community, and we often had to go above and beyond our means to try and solve issues that really shouldn't have ever existed.

My understanding as being the real tipping point was when there was a huge blitz/rise in players messaging others to get them onto 3rd party messaging platforms (telegram, vk, etc.) so they could conduct their mischief off site. We did our best efforts to discourage such behaviour, but people kept trying to evade the systems in place. Our biggest regret is that we let this go one for far too long, and that so many players fell victim to such issues.

We want to be able to provide a gambling experience that resonates with the positive aspects of crypto and its benefits to the world, and to do so, we felt it was time to discourage negative behaviours that give the crypto community a bad wrap.

First of all thanks for replying and explaining the decision. Makes a little more sense now. 

Now I'm going to be a little rude ( sorry In advance ) 

The thing is Ive been there since a loooong time ( even if at first I was only member of PD ) and tbh the experience it is now as very few in common with what it was. And ofc the bad people ruin it  all...  

To me one of the reason is bringing more and more people in. At first there was only crypto believers, a small community of people knowing and cheering for all what crypto represented. It was a small community sharing values. 

Since years passed and crypto ( btc more than any other ) started to conquer the world. And when it reached 17k$ that winter, all the mercyless whales of fiat finance started to see there was a new far west without rules and gold rush to come.  Thats when scams started to show up everywhere on the net. Ponzi scheme, fake exchanges, fake trading bots, all what you mentioned also.... 

And ofc stake made no exception... And with the sharks or the wolves game also a bunch of sheep... People barely knowing how to complete a transaction, not knowing what crypto meant as a value, just lurred by the promises of easy profit... But no one told them that the easy profit were meant for the wolves hiding waiting to jump onto heir small and unprotected wallet...

Then cryptoworld started to look like more day after day to the old fiat world... 

In several way stake is a reflect of that : large growth of the user base,  and growth of the scammers operating around also...  I feel really sad about it and I know neither you staff or us user could do nothing to prevent it or make it reverse to what it was before... 

I guess where there money there's wolves and scammers..and the more money it is the more they come. And if you add a bunch of noob to that you get a big mess.... That you guys from support tried to handle.

It's a great thing to try to prevent anonymity of everyone. But you can't be a mainstream casino and keep this going. ( Imho ) and as long as scammer will be able to hide behind pseudo the problem won't be over. Sure deleting pm will give a break. And then what ... Let me say it ... Deleting chat is the next step. And  then...  ? It's not a hazard if most of high rollers play hidden now... Maybe removing highrollers bets history could be a good.move.  or anonymise bets but I would be the end of challenges...

The choices are hard and I wouldn't like to sit on your chair to be honest...

Edited by nikowin88

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Just noticed pm were back !

Thanks God of stake , you heard me 👍❤️😄😄😄

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11 minutes ago, nikowin88 said:

Just noticed pm were back !

Thanks God of stake , you heard me 👍❤️😄😄😄

How exactly are pms back? If you could explain. I do not see it anywhere. Have they made an exception for you?

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2 minutes ago, vijaypondini said:

How exactly are pms back? If you could explain. I do not see it anywhere. Have they made an exception for you?

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Wtf it's very weird. I was on stake and I noticed the icons of pm and friends so I clicked on it and accessed to pm. But now 1fter reading your message I check to take screenshot and it was gone... It was a glitch I guess ?  Damn I was so glad... 😕

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4 minutes ago, nikowin88 said:

Wtf it's very weird. I was on stake and I noticed the icons of pm and friends so I clicked on it and accessed to pm. But now 1fter reading your message I check to take screenshot and it was gone... It was a glitch I guess ?  Damn I was so glad... 😕

Well then I guess that is that.. I was able to contact my friends by publicly sharing my socials ( discord )
Maybe you could do that too

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49 minutes ago, vijaypondini said:

Well then I guess that is that.. I was able to contact my friends by publicly sharing my socials ( discord )
Maybe you could do that too

that is against chat rules. next time might get you a perm. :)

please take time to read the rules again. 😊

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It made me sad that PMs were deleted for I can no longer message those people I get to know when I became a member here. Some of them are not active in the chatroom  and I don't know as to where I can reach them aside from stake. 

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Well but if were going to go and make it where the community aspect is dead.  I agree delete chat, if we can't PM each other or even share social media information with people we have gotten to really well know around here.  May as well delete chat and be over with it.  The chat rules needed to be badly modified when PMs got deleted.  As long as both parties are ok getting to know each other off of the platform since PMs are no longer allowed.  As long as it's made clear they have no issues with it.  Then rules need to be badly relaxed.  Otherwise your chat has become a ghost town of what it once was.

I understand it's clean up the toxic environment but the way things have gotten.  Has for sure mad the community aspect dead for sure.

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i just lost contact with some friends i made on stake because of the loss of the pm function... its a pity really

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