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16 minutes ago, FancyPants said:

Ok, so there's real people that actually see exactly what i see - Especially LIMBO, that shit... The actual fuck is that... 

 

So to cut the crap because this provably fair has been ruining me and many others for many of years... Betsize and seemingly bet delay/timing fully affects the outcome to somewhat of an extent.

They claim:

serverseed,clientseed,nonce calculation allows no manipulation. This is true. Except player is only aware of the hashed server seed which i have little knowledge about but apparently NO PARTS of a seed's character can change whatsoever without the matching hash not matching? IF this is definitely the case; It's somehow done at the last of the process maybe?

I don't understand why after its hashed together serverSeed,clientSeed,nonce the system cant simply choose the first numbers without all the need for the last bit.. Cant it be as simple as below? 

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You should be able to check your bet archive or verify the results to disprove this if you think a bet was fishy. I say “should” because there are bets missing from the archive. Everyones archive, I would bet. 
It should have the full seed so you can see if the rest of it was altered. Or they could just do what you are suggesting and change it back in the 24 hours it takes them to put the bets in the archive. Since it’s not immediately available unless you copy down and manually check each one, there is room for manipulation there.
I wonder why the archives are delayed by a full 24 hours. I’m sure there is a logical database-related answer, but I’m curious. 
 

Food for thought. 

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On 7/4/2021 at 1:46 AM, Ghostnipple said:

When I target 10x the occurrence will drop to 5% instead of 9.9% stated win chance.

if I drop to 3x to pick up some hits in between the long 10x streaks. Immediately 10x will show and almost every 3x I hit will be a 10x.

If I increase bet size I will get a long streak. If I reduce bet size to very small I will get 10x hits.

This happens every time, EVERY time I play Limbo.

Just before ripping I will get one last hit, then after that ripping is certain.

 

Seriously, this is uncanny. This mirrors my experience with limbo almost perfectly. 

This shouldn't be possible if the results were truly random. This is, at least for me, to this date the most convincing proof that something is going on here.

The variance kills limbo for me anyways. I can go easily 6-700 rounds without hitting the 100x and with that in mind, betting on it is just useless. Insane losing streaks with 10x or 20x (suddenly 5-6 times longer if I bet big on it) pulverized many deposits from me.

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6 minutes ago, v1rtu0s said:

Seriously, this is uncanny. This mirrors my experience with limbo almost perfectly. 

This shouldn't be possible if the results were truly random. This is, at least for me, to this date the most convincing proof that something is going on here.

The variance kills limbo for me anyways. I can go easily 6-700 rounds without hitting the 100x and with that in mind, betting on it is just useless. Insane losing streaks with 10x or 20x (suddenly 5-6 times longer if I bet big on it) pulverized many deposits from me.

It's all in your head.  Give me your player seed and unhashed server seed and I will show how many times any multis you want hits and what the RTP is if you were to bet that multi from nonce 1 to 10 million.

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the 'fairness' is all in your head dupeddonk.  The fact that you think the provably fair is actually fair is so insane to me, especially because you really do come off as being an intelligent person.   p.s. I'm not even going to start to argue with you about it because I know how engrained into your soul it is.  I've seen you defending it a billion times

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9 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

It's all in your head.  Give me your player seed and unhashed server seed and I will show how many times any multis you want hits and what the RTP is if you were to bet that multi from nonce 1 to 10 million.

So what you're saying is, if I understand correctly, I do have to bet 10 million times to get the RTP I am expecting? 

Well, if that's "provably fair" to you, hats off to you. In practice, this makes playing it beyond stupid. 

Maybe it's really all in my head, but reading this personal experience from Ghostnipple felt really familiar. So why is that, exactly? Most of the time I can't relate to player's stories at all (as it should be if it's random), so this on point limbo review really stood out to me. 

In addition, nothing is preventing a system where there are parallel calculations by the server and picking the one which is most favorably for itself. Or what am I missing? Serious question, I wanna understand your point of view.

 

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2 hours ago, v1rtu0s said:

So what you're saying is, if I understand correctly, I do have to bet 10 million times to get the RTP I am expecting? 

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I only threw out the figure because that's the amount of results I can calculate in a few minutes.

If stake is in any way manipulating the rolled number based on what you target or how much you bet, there is proof.

The way it's supposed to work is as soon as you set the player seed, every number is predetermined (until, of course, you decide to change your seed).  So whether you target 5x or 10x doesn't matter.  

When you do eventually change your seed , you're able to verify that the results of the bets you made with that seed were fair.

This also creates the opportunity to look back and analyze all the numbers that you made bets on, as well as all the numbers that you would've bet on had you not decided to change your seed.

I wrote a program to easily do that.

If you're interested in stepping back and just looking at the numbers, It should become clear that thinking things like '10x hits 5% when I target it and then when I target 3x every time I hit it's 10x or higher'' idea is just your mind playing tricks on you (this happens to everyone, including me).

 

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I have screen recorded 9 sessions in the last 2 weeks of instances where my bet win did not get added to my balance. Eazh time I contacted support was ignored mostly. Yesterday I got my weekly abs began playing plinko with .43 litecoin. I only made 206 bets I only risked 1.2 lite coin and had a total of 108x multipliers hit… I screen shot every single bet to support I did all the math abs showed work abs sent it to them. 206 weren’t hard to figure. My balance should be .7 ltc.  It’s .00000038 ltc.  I tried for 2 hours to get support to help. They wouldn’t tell ne where I was wrong or how all they would say is “your balance is correct”.  Then they suspended my account and are asking for verification from me. Let me repeat, I have every single one of these bets screen recorded. lol. Could this be a bigger fucking joke?

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9 minutes ago, MattyG said:

I have screen recorded 9 sessions in the last 2 weeks of instances where my bet win did not get added to my balance. Eazh time I contacted support was ignored mostly. Yesterday I got my weekly abs began playing plinko with .43 litecoin. I only made 206 bets I only risked 1.2 lite coin and had a total of 108x multipliers hit… I screen shot every single bet to support I did all the math abs showed work abs sent it to them. 206 weren’t hard to figure. My balance should be .7 ltc.  It’s .00000038 ltc.  I tried for 2 hours to get support to help. They wouldn’t tell ne where I was wrong or how all they would say is “your balance is correct”.  Then they suspended my account and are asking for verification from me. Let me repeat, I have every single one of these bets screen recorded. lol. Could this be a bigger fucking joke?

post the proof

Were you changing bet size?

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14 minutes ago, MattyG said:

I have screen recorded 9 sessions in the last 2 weeks of instances where my bet win did not get added to my balance. Eazh time I contacted support was ignored mostly. Yesterday I got my weekly abs began playing plinko with .43 litecoin. I only made 206 bets I only risked 1.2 lite coin and had a total of 108x multipliers hit… I screen shot every single bet to support I did all the math abs showed work abs sent it to them. 206 weren’t hard to figure. My balance should be .7 ltc.  It’s .00000038 ltc.  I tried for 2 hours to get support to help. They wouldn’t tell ne where I was wrong or how all they would say is “your balance is correct”.  Then they suspended my account and are asking for verification from me. Let me repeat, I have every single one of these bets screen recorded. lol. Could this be a bigger fucking joke?

You were wise enough to record the bet activity, so why not post it here to raise awareness of the issue.

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Because if stake will just do the right thing, there’s no need. If they refuse & don’t I unsuspend my account  I’m going to leverage it along with the others for absolute max pain for stake.

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4 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

post the proof

Were you changing bet size?

 

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4 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

post the proof

Were you changing bet size?

 

4 hours ago, dupeddonk said:

post the proof

Were you changing bet size?

https://imgur.com/gallery/1HLSIEm

51 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Because if stake will just do the right thing, there’s no need. If they refuse & don’t I unsuspend my account  I’m going to leverage it along with the others for absolute max pain for stake.

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Here’s every bet. Started with .43 ltc

https://imgur.com/gallery/nbrOlKI

There were no sports bets or slots, no tips, no rains, no withdraws. What do you come up with? 
 

stake has me at .00000038 ltc and for 3 hours told me 50 times the balance is correct!

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1 hour ago, MattyG said:

Because if stake will just do the right thing, there’s no need. If they refuse & don’t I unsuspend my account  I’m going to leverage it along with the others for absolute max pain for stake.

EC8B19CE-081E-49FB-92A3-754AAEE37AE3.png

 

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https://imgur.com/gallery/1HLSIEm

https://imgur.com/gallery/nbrOlKI

There were no sports bets or slots, no tips, no rains, no withdraws. What do you come up with? 
 

stake has me at .00000038 ltc and for 3 hours told me 50 times the balance is correct!

Is your username MattyG?

Your stats are showing no plinko ever played.in any currency, and the only ltc wagers:

betAmount: 0.6173525099999999

bets: 171

currency: "ltc"

game: "dice"

losses: 52

ties: 0

wins: 119

 

Can you post the bet id of one plinko bet?

 

 

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1 minute ago, dupeddonk said:

Is your username MattyG?

Your stats are showing no plinko ever played.in any currency, and the only ltc wagers:

betAmount: 0.6173525099999999

bets: 171

currency: "ltc"

game: "dice"

losses: 52

ties: 0

wins: 119

 

 

 

User name PhukHue

4 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

Is your username MattyG?

Your stats are showing no plinko ever played.in any currency, and the only ltc wagers:

betAmount: 0.6173525099999999

bets: 171

currency: "ltc"

game: "dice"

losses: 52

ties: 0

wins: 119

 

Can you post the bet id of one plinko bet?

 

 

What 1 plinko bet 

5 minutes ago, MattyG said:

User name PhukHue

What 1 plinko bet 

casino:52492337847

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2 minutes ago, MattyG said:

User name PhukHue

Ok I see a bunch of ltc plinko bets for that account:

betAmount: 919.7537767800022

bets: 42357

currency: "ltc"

game: "plinko"

losses: 29480

ties: 2072

wins: 10805

 

Can you download the archives from the days you made the 206 bets and and either upload them to something like drop box and post the link.

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Just now, dupeddonk said:

Ok I see a bunch of ltc plinko bets for that account:

betAmount: 919.7537767800022

bets: 42357

currency: "ltc"

game: "plinko"

losses: 29480

ties: 2072

wins: 10805

 

Can you download the archives from the days you made the 206 bets and and either upload them to something like drop box and post the link.

Dude I posted the link to Imgur every single bet. Here

 

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/nbrOlKI

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9 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Dude I posted the link to Imgur every single bet. Here

 

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/nbrOlKI

Can you copy paste the bets as text.

 

6 hours ago, MattyG said:

Yesterday I got my weekly abs began playing plinko with .43 litecoin. I only made 206 bets I only risked 1.2 lite

It looks like 193 bets from the screen shots, but I could be mis counting - would be a lot easier with text.

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14 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

Ok I see a bunch of ltc plinko bets for that account:

betAmount: 919.7537767800022

bets: 42357

currency: "ltc"

game: "plinko"

losses: 29480

ties: 2072

wins: 10805

 

Can you download the archives from the days you made the 206 bets and and either upload them to something like drop box and post the link.

Stake has my balance at .00000038 Ltc & for 3 hours yesterday told me 50 different times my balance was correct. Then they suspended my account. Can’t even believe their customer support is real life 

1 minute ago, dupeddonk said:

Can you copy paste the bets as text.

 

It looks like 193 bets from the screen shots, but I could be mis counting - would be a lot easier with text.

The archive is not available yet dude. That’s all the bets my i miscounted. You can calculate total risked by my rakeback * 1000

3 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Stake has my balance at .00000038 Ltc & for 3 hours yesterday told me 50 different times my balance was correct. Then they suspended my account. Can’t even believe their customer support is real life 

The archive is not available yet dude. That’s all the bets my i miscounted. You can calculate total risked by my rakeback * 1000

Literally a fucking chimpanzee can look at it for 1 minute & conclude there is a massive discrepancy.

6 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Stake has my balance at .00000038 Ltc & for 3 hours yesterday told me 50 different times my balance was correct. Then they suspended my account. Can’t even believe their customer support is real life 

The archive is not available yet dude. That’s all the bets my i miscounted. You can calculate total risked by my rakeback * 1000

Literally a fucking chimpanzee can look at it for 1 minute & conclude there is a massive discrepancy.

This right here I would think, would tell anyone with a functioning brain sonething is wrong Bc I have nothing in my account 

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6 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Stake has my balance at .00000038 Ltc & for 3 hours yesterday told me 50 different times my balance was correct. Then they suspended my account. Can’t even believe their customer support is real life 

The archive is not available yet dude. That’s all the bets my i miscounted. You can calculate total risked by my rakeback * 1000

Literally a fucking chimpanzee can look at it for 1 minute & conclude there is a massive discrepancy.

Can you copy paste the bets as text.

Also, change your seed now and post the player seed, unhashed server seed and total bets made with that pair, along with the number of bets you made since taking the screen shots.

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16 minutes ago, dupeddonk said:

Can you copy paste the bets as text.

Also, change your seed now and post the player seed, unhashed server seed and total bets made with that pair, along with the number of bets you made since taking the screen shots.

Did you miss what I said.  They suspended my account. The bets you see are the last bets made on account 

Just now, MattyG said:

Did you miss what I said.  They suspended my account. The bets you see are the last bets made on account 

I took those screen shots less than 30 minutes before I sent them to you 

5 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Did you miss what I said.  They suspended my account. The bets you see are the last bets made on account 

I took those screen shots less than 30 minutes before I sent them to you 

Imagine customer service of a company, suspending your acccount Bc they stole $100 from you & you’re basically pleading with them to look at the account, instead they just come to the conclusion, no we’re not going to do our job we will just suspend your account, that will solve this. Literally you could get 10 geniuses brainstorming for a decade and they couldn’t come up with a decision that is even near the level of complete fucking retard as the decision stake customer support decided on

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I saw many reviews on trust pilot people complaining they got banned and blocked. Go check it out! 

It’s a usual reply from stake claiming they have no issues on their end and the fault is on the player. When support can’t help you or answer you they will refer you to tech support and ask you to email them. Tech support will bombard you with technical terms and saying there’s nothing they can do. 
I’ve lost my faith on stake.

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52 minutes ago, MattyG said:

Did you miss what I said.  They suspended my account. The bets you see are the last bets made on account 

I took those screen shots less than 30 minutes before I sent them to you 

Imagine customer service of a company, suspending your acccount Bc they stole $100 from you & you’re basically pleading with them to look at the account, instead they just come to the conclusion, no we’re not going to do our job we will just suspend your account, that will solve this. Literally you could get 10 geniuses brainstorming for a decade and they couldn’t come up with a decision that is even near the level of complete fucking retard as the decision stake customer support decided on

You should still be able to log in and access the information I think, right?

 

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